Curse

nugzta · Aug 11, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by Yakumo

Currently, Luxon and Kurzick armors require Jadeite and Amber. These can be obtained in a number of ways. One of these ways is from exchanging faction points earnt in Fort Aspenwood.

Already leechers are abusing this current system. If it isn't improved to only reward those who actively participate, then you'll just end up with: 'New l33t armor' = leecher.

I don't do much PvPing, so I don't know if leeching for Balthazar faction points is as common in RA, TA, etc.

I personally see the high end armors as nothing more than just eye candy. It doesn't reflect a persons skill or ability. I perfer to judge those from their actions and how they play. You can tell a lot more from the way they conduct themselves and interact with others than you can from what they are wearing.

Yeah but ambers/jades can be bought at rare material traders = golds = ebay. Leeching is another topic which I dont want to discuss here.

Back to topic, some people are a bit harsh to the OP. He said that FoW armor now dont have its status as it used to be due many ebayers. There are some people actually earn their FoW armor. It's too late for anything can be done for FoW but he hopes that same thing wont happen to the next armor (maybe from other god realm). He wants that armor truly shows your accomplishment/dedication in pve, not necessarily to show some skills.

aron searle · Aug 11, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

Eh, that's a little strong. There are people that earned it. But I've give you that it doesn't have the status it used to.

Used to?

Is everyone forgetting how easy it was to farm underworld pre-protective bond nerf, fow armour is now harder to get surely (ignoring ebay issues).

Anyway ive never seen FOW armour as a sign of skill, most of the people i see using it are clearly solo farmers at heart, you can tell by the play stlye they are used to the solo tactics, but are not comftable with teamplay, yes there are exeptions, but thats why i dont see it as a sign of skill.

Its just damn nice armour is all.

I dont see the point in changing it because its already been obtained by so many, bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, not that i think its actually a problem. Cantha armour is already a sign of "skill" in that you need to beat the game, but as i said unskilled people can get it because it dosnt take much to beat the game other than join a good group, and i cant see another way of doing it that wont be fair to all classes.

Effendi Westland · Aug 11, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Like in the real world anything can be bought, making an armor based on accomplishments will just spawn runners for these accomplishments, like the Siper cap in UW, or any mission, just look at the services pages.

Malice Black · Aug 11, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

OP i see where you are coming from but this is hardly the place to discuss this, FoW armor threads are justing waiting to be flamed. The flamers wait with baited breath for such threads.

The only way to create an armor harder to obtain then FoW is to find some way to base it on skill and not grind. Im open for ideas on that subject as most of PvE GW is grind..

Vermilion Okeanos · Aug 11, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

I don't think FoW armor was ever "l33t" armor, just expensive armor =/

It was the general public that see it as elite armor.

Actually like the OP idea... but there is one thing that will annoy the hell out of me. That is, if, the elite armor look like crap, henc I don't want to get it; then I get label as noob automaticall, now that would be hell.

scamPOR · Aug 11, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

You know what really ticks me off I post a simple suggestion for an inprovment in the game and instead of thoughtful,insightful comments and suggestions I get slammed for even suggesting that there might be a different or better way of rewarding good game play, some people didnt even bother to read the whole post before blasting the idea.

I guess I picked the wrong place to get a fair reading

Your idea is both completely contrary to why the armor was made in the first place and stupid. "Noobs" as you call them are all in the eye of the beholder, I am SURE someone somewhere would call you a "noob" and I really don't get how you think you can judge "skill" in pve. It's basically mindless stuff like watch aggro and press 1-2-3. Fissure was meant as a grind, if you make it harder to get to the "noobs" will still find a way to farm it. If you want a "leet" pve title then aim for Kind of a big Deal or something.

Snowman · Aug 11, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

...Let's face it anyone with enough money can go on eBay and buy the materials needed...

waahh??... sorry, but your just whack!

the gold on ebay is a non-argument, because it can be applied to ANYTHING in any game, no matter what you did to make FoW armor acheivable there will be someone out there who will sell it on ebay.

In fact, by making it more diffucult, you dont eliminate these people you simply give them added value and they charge even more!

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

.....or spend a huge amount of time in the Fissure of Woe killing enough beasties To Make Fissure of Woe Armor.

hmmm, riiiight.. 100+ shards, 100+ Ectos, 75k+ in gold..

If someone farmed Fissure enough to pay for all that, I think they damn well deserve their armor!.. as for elite status?.. well, I know I certainly could NEVER farm FoW that much It would get hideously boring and only the most patient and determined person would acheive it.

Fow armour isnt a symbol of elitism, just as rank isnt, its merly an indication of someones dedication and commitment to playing Guildwars... which I for one, respect!

The Last Preacher · Aug 11, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I know, maybe make these missoions like a quest. Once it is done, it is done. So they will be no mission runners.

And yes people could make tonnes of accounts but since you will need to be asscended ~completed game~ or what ever, it won't be worth the time.

Sli Ander · Aug 11, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Wow. I just read 7 pages of idiotic flames. Please stay on topic guys. While I don't have FoW or any 1337 armor, I can see why people might want to get it. I just don't like the looks, maybe they do.
OT= I really like the ideas for maybe making it a bit tougher. But unfortunately people will find a way around it.Hopefully not too quickly. Another way to get people out of FOW and UW would be to add more armor skins, whether at the end of another gods realm( with a new requirement material) or simply in a city like Droks.
This would get a lot of Ebayers just because they would be new and shiny. It would make other people that don't like Fow armor happy, cause we get choices. And if it were in the Gods realms its would still be a challenge, while distracting Ebayers from the good ol' FoW.But unfortunately a status (elite armor) lost is a status that can't be regained easily.

/edit I like the idea of restricting one armor for one Char. to keep people from guiding runs. Only problem would be for those gaffs when you accidentally delete your armor (or something horrible happens to your comp which makes your armor burst into flames). Might want to put a strict limit, but give them 2 chances just in case.

Doomslay · Aug 11, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

99% of your posts = flames/trolling or just being a complete ass

OP i see where you are coming from but this is hardly the place to discuss this, FoW armor threads are justing waiting to be flamed. The flamers wait with baited breath for such threads.

The only way to create an armor harder to obtain then FoW is to find some way to base it on skill and not grind. Im open for ideas on that subject as most of PvE GW is grind..

Boy I found that out people around here dont want to try to think of ways to improve the game they would rather tell you your an idiot for even making a suggestion which is so much easier than THINKING.

Those people that never saw FOW armor as a status symbol for any reason or say it was meant as a money sink may be correct,thats not the point. I have already said that is a nonrecoverable situation, I said lets hope the developers can fix the next armor obtainment method to show that people that are wearing it (EARNED) it thats all.

Anyway the fact that the thread is as long as it is will hopefully attract the attention of Gaile if no one else.

And after reading most of these post I stand by my statement that most of the people flaming my idea did not even bother to read most of the preceeding post.

Lex Talionis · Aug 11, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Well isn't this an interesting little thread.... Seven pages of flames and barely any sort of valid discussion to a mediocre idea. The mods must be sleeping since they haven't closed this yet.

lyra_song · Aug 11, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

Those people that never saw FOW armor as a status symbol for any reason or say it was meant as a money sink may be correct,thats not the point. I have already said that is a nonrecoverable situation, I said lets hope the developers can fix the next armor obtainment method to show that people that are wearing it (EARNED) it thats all.

Like people have said before, no matter what setup you choose, someone will find a way to farm it and negate the whole "earning" concept that you so desperately desire.

My idea would be this:

A PvP forgemaster quest. The Forgemaster's Final Uber Test

The final quest before you can craft any piece of Obsidian Armor requires you to defeat a team who came to FoW for that exact same reason as you.

If you lose, you get booted out of FOW.

You wanna play for keeps? Hows that?

Of course this is also exploitable. You could have groups tanking your FoW group just to get the quest finished. To combat that, we add a "cool down". If you lose the forgemaster's final test, you cant enter FoW for 24 hours.

like i always say, destroy the barrier between PvE and PvP!

edit: i think my idea is good, but not feasable, because some players are just going to be REALLY whiny about it, plus dreamhunk's gonna be all up in here posting "rpg this, rpg that" -.o

Riken Chrono · Aug 11, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Does this thread need any more posts? Its about this OP is poor and wants Fow armor! so he wants to change fow so you dont have to pay! nuff said, kthxbai. lawlz if you want money go do HoH and get a 15^50 req 7 crystalline lawlz

The Herbalizer · Aug 11, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono

Does this thread need any more posts? Its about this OP is poor and wants Fow armor! so he wants to change fow so you dont have to pay! nuff said, kthxbai. lawlz if you want money go do HoH and get a 15^50 req 7 crystalline lawlz

LOL.

I have three sets of fow armor not one was purchases to make me feel l337 or superior I got them because they looked cool. My first necro set I got just after I ascended my necro and hadnt even played it properly same with my ele. I like all my characters to look awsome and couldnt care less how much the armor costs it just so happens that it was fow armor which I liked. I had no skill as an ele or necro when I bought them but I thought they looked cool. FOW armor is purely a gold skink it is not designed to recognise skill.

Maybe make armor which requires you to complete every quest and mission including bonus/masters then have to do some mammoth mission to get the armor but Anet will never make FOW armor obtainable this way.

I have spent millions on armor alone. If everyone who had FOW armor did not have it and instead had millions of gold the price of items would increase drasitically. Instead of buying multiple FOW armor sets I could buy a 15>50 crystalline sword. Through buying them I cannot afford them thus preventing me driving the price of items up through having tons of excess gold.

The OP seems to be jealous of those who have way too much time on there hands or are actually talented at making gold. Some of my favourite trades include buying shields for 50k then reselling for 400k

Quit winging about it and get farming/trading etc if you want it sooo bad. FOW armor was never designed to show your skill. A person in 1.5k armor could be more skillful than someone in FOW armor. I never judge a person on what armor they have. Some of the wealthiest people I know have only 1.5k armor. Some of the worst people I have met have FOW armor.

Maybe introduce King Of A Big Deal armor which is a reward for being a KOABD.

To be skillfull in Guild Wars you dont need rare skin items or expensive armor. Collectors items, Greens or 1.5k armor are all you need. If you like/want FOW armor and cannot afford it thats your problem. I have had the time and patience to grind to get it. Just because you cannot be bothered does not mean Anet should change it to allow lazy people to get it. If Anet did change it there would be tens of thousands of people with FOW armor who are not as skilled with those who do.

The ideas of an uber hard quest to get the skillfull armor wont work. Look at FOW and the trip to the forgemaster, you can 3 man it. People over in the services forum offer to do it for you. The idea of the pressure pads and getting people to stand on them wont work as the customer can just stand on them too. The idea of making a quest where it is sooo hard only 8 people in an 8 man team can do it and not 7 wont work. A massive number of teams would fail due to it being sooo difficult a team where noone can make mistakes would be required. This would lead to massive grind and would be one big mess. PUGing it would be impossible and even guild/alliance teams would struggle.

Your idea is atrocious and if I was you I would be embarrassed and ask to have my name changed. Maybe Anet making armor for people with KOABD in Nightfall would be nice but again getting the title is not skill but grind. People with skill dont need armor to show their skill they would be recognised by others. Take Racoth, Sno, Stryder Kairu (sp) etc they are all recognised for their skill and not for having some uber set of armor.

unholy guardian · Aug 11, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Like people have said before, no matter what setup you choose, someone will find a way to farm it and negate the whole "earning" concept that you so desperately desire.

My idea would be this:

A PvP forgemaster quest. The Forgemaster's Final Uber Test

The final quest before you can craft any piece of Obsidian Armor requires you to defeat a team who came to FoW for that exact same reason as you.

If you lose, you get booted out of FOW.

You wanna play for keeps? Hows that?

Of course this is also exploitable. You could have groups tanking your FoW group just to get the quest finished. To combat that, we add a "cool down". If you lose the forgemaster's final test, you cant enter FoW for 24 hours.

like i always say, destroy the barrier between PvE and PvP!

edit: i think my idea is good, but not feasable, because some players are just going to be REALLY whiny about it, plus dreamhunk's gonna be all up in here posting "rpg this, rpg that" -.o

sounds good to me

rawr i will eat everyone else for breakest... maybe

Bokocasso · Aug 11, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

You people sound so pathethic. Fissure armor sux, fissure armor is ugly, fissure armor means nothing. OMG people I can afford it, I have it. I don't give a cr*p about your opinion about my armor. When you can't have one it seems sooo ugly, but if you can - omg I got fow armor. I like it, I will have it and THAT'S IT!

saphir · Aug 11, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

i have 1 set of fow monk armor. i farmed all the materials myself, saved up several months for it, ever since my ele got her first ecto and i didn't even know what it was. in those days ecto cost around 1.5k and few knew what to do with them. i made a lot of trips to uw, and eventually gathered enough ecto on my own to lead a few groups successfully to the fow armor crafter. getting my armor was fun and pretty cool to boot.

these days, people always say so and so must have ebayed their fow armor. rarely would i say that's true for monks as most monks i've come across wearing fow armor are usually quite experienced. the true farming monks who we all assume are rich little monks in general wear cheapo and garishly dyed tattoos. those monks are in it purely for the gold, they're not going to waste it on fow armor..
most classes in fow armor i've met have been mature and excellent players. the only exception would be those, ahem, male warriors.. as we all know how many young boys play those.. even had one admit he ebayed his fow armor the other day lol

one solution to the problem? i think groups should be required to clear all of fow, every last beast, before they can craft their armor =)

a newer, perhaps armor w/ the same materials but a different look should be available once you clear all quests in UW - and gwen should craft it for you in gratitude =)
last time i cleared uw, we were pretty disappointed there was no crafter and no gwen, no nothing. i would think now they could at the very LEAST create a title for those who have cleared all or uw all of fow!

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 11, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

Boy I found that out people around here dont want to try to think of ways to improve the game they would rather tell you your an idiot for even making a suggestion which is so much easier than THINKING.

Maybe because your suggestion doesnt really solve anything and there isnt really a problem to begin with.

And judging from your OP, this is less about you wanting to improve the game and more about you wanting to look elite ingame and trying to get rid of all the other FOW wearing noobs. Go back at look at that post. Your whole gripe is about how these shmucks didnt earn their armor and it makes yours look less cool as a result.

I'm not flaming you for making a suggestion. But you cant seem to accept that this is such a minor problem, at the bottom of the list and that your solution will do NOTHING to solve it anyway. At the end of the day, no matter what restrictions they put in place, there will always be "noobs" having something the same as you. And "elite" armor will still mean nothing, it just means you've jumped through all the hoops needed.

QuietWanderer · Aug 11, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

To the OP, do you have FOW armor?

Y.T. · Aug 12, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

money sinks r required for any more or less healthy economy, get over it alrdy pls! nobody makes u to buy this fow set, go buy 15k cathan instead, get ur end-game green for no charge....